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Mallory,

What this poll says about Republicans doesn't matter.  It's what the Independants think that terrifies the Dems and, for good reason.


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How can you say it doesn't matter?   When that many Republicans can be so wrong, it's possible that a significant per cent of the rest of the population can be equally wrong as you point out.  And if they're wrong about those rather simple things to know the truth about, they're likely wrong about a whole host of other more complicated things.

How can we maintain a democracy with such an ignorant or easily manipulated population?   That's what's scary and what matters.

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I think the better question would be where do conservatives/Republicans actually learn this stuff? Could it be that they watch a bias conservative news source, or worse yet, listen to the repulsive Glen Beck? Hmmm?


I think you've nailed the reason.    FOX, the ultra right talk radio guys, and the bloggers have bamboozled that 30% or so of the population that doesn't think too clearly for themselves or probe too deeply into what's  going on, into believing stuff like this.

People like that have even been convinced that other sources of information are suspect or tainted or untrue and stay away from them for the most part.   How do you change that?

And as I posted elsewhere, how do you maintain a democracy with that degree of ignorance?

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What the h.... are you talking about.  The Pew Survey/Poll I described was not a poll of Republicans, but of a broad sampling of Americans?  You guys have finally snapped!

 

And "30%" of who/what?  And where did that come from?  I believe, from a review of all the latest polls, we are dealing with a lot more than 30% dissatisfied citizens at this point!!!

 

You guys are starting to babble!

 

April 18, 2010, davieboy quote: "Even now most of the tea party people will swear Obama raised taxes. It's simply not true." Now that's an absolute if I ever read one!

 

Nobama is not raising taxes within the healthcare bill?  This will be fun...apparently davieboy has not read the final health care bill that was passed.


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Here ya go....

The healthcare bill passed by the House and Senate and just signed into law by Obama contains seven taxes that unquestionably violate his pledge.
 
(Page numbers reference ORIGINAL REID-OBAMA BILL unless noted):

Individual Mandate Excise Tax (Page 324/Sec. 1501/Jan 2014*): Starting in 2014, anyone not buying “qualifying” health insurance must pay an income.
 
Employer Mandate Tax (Page 348/Sec. 1513/Jan 2014*):  Small business owners pay their business taxes on their personal 1040 forms. This tax does not exempt startup small business owners even if they make less than $250,000. If the employer does not offer health coverage, and at least one employee qualifies for a health tax credit, the employer must pay an additional non-deductible tax of $750 for all full-time employees. Applies to all employers with 50 or more employees.

If the employer requires a waiting period to enroll in coverage of 30-60 days, there is a $400 tax per employee ($600 if the period is 60 days or longer).

Medicine Cabinet Tax (Page 1997/Sec. 9003/$5 bil/Jan 2011): Americans would no longer be able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin).

HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike (Page 1998/Sec. 9004/$1.3 bil/Jan 2011): Increases additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent.

Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka “Special Needs Kids Tax” (Page 1999/Sec. 9005/$14 bil/Jan 2011): Imposes cap on FSAs of $2500 (now unlimited).  Indexed to inflation after 2011 (added on page 363 of manager’s amendment). There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children.  There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education.  Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education.

Medical Itemized Deductions Cap (Page 2034/Sec. 9013/$15.2 bil/Jan 2013): Currently, those facing high medical expenses are allowed a deduction if the total cost of the expenses reduces the filer’s income by 7.5%. The new provision would impose a threshold of 10%. This new tax will most adversely affect early retirees and the catastrophically ill. Waived for 65+ taxpayers in 2013-2016 only.

Tax on Indoor Tanning Services (Page 373 of Manager’s amendment/$2.7 billion/July 1, 2010): New 10% excise tax on Americans using indoor tanning salons

NONE OF THE ABOVE PROVISIONS EXEMPTS FAMILIES MAKING LESS THAN $250,000
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Now, this is a summary of what the reality is. I have read the entire healthcare bill as approved, have it downloaded, and can provide snipits of these elements that did come to fruition, but I won't do anyone's homework. This is how it started. New taxes have been initiated by nobama's signature on the bill. nobama has raised taxes as noted here. davieboy is a liar and has been mislead and grossly misinformed. So much for absolutes.

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