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Does Iarael want peace?

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I see you both skipped over the USS Liberty, c'mon explain how you side with the people who bombed and attacked a U.S. navy ship without weapons to defend itself. A total of 34 dead, 170 wounded and massive damage to a U.S. navy intelligence ship. listen to what the survivors have to say.

  here is two links to the aid we supply to isreal, 2. here is a statement given at the national assembly by deputy minister A. Pahad. map of isreal and palestine . just look at the square miles it started at and what they have now, they still are taken more land everyday.  C'mon now you all would defend America if occupied by a foreign country so why blame these people for the same thing. I would join a liberation army in a new york second if we were attacked and occupied!

  Now rachel, it was execptable bahavior to plow a young girl over instead of arresting her, and that is with all the aid we give them.  and now they have killed another American.on the media JUST LOOK IT UP YOURSELF, YOU HAVE A COMPUTER.

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The USS Liberty was occurred during the 1967 war in wnich Israel was under attack from Egypt and Syria whether or not it was a case of mistaken identity or not I have no idea, and yes mobay I know which account you hold to. As for Israel and the land, they are not taking anything that does not already belong to them. They will get that and more before it is over.

Now Rachel, so the US gives Israel aide therefore as an American citizen we then have the right to go over there and jump in front of a bulldozer and expect it to stop on a dime.

 

Since you seem to be so proficient at LOOKING THINGS UP ON A COMPUTER

Why don't you get a running total on how much aid and money these so called Palistinian people have received in total from the all of nations around the world (lets say in the last 20 years) compare that then to their reported population and then tell me how they are so impoverished. And by the way Gaza and the West Bank are not occupied Israel pulled out in 2005

 

 

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By Terence Burke
CNN

UNITED NATIONS (CNN) -- A United Nations report issued Tuesday says both Israel and the Palestinians committed actions amounting to war crimes during Israel's military incursion into Gaza from December 27 to January 18.


A member of Hamas walks through a building damaged during fighting with Israel in Gaza last January.

Although the U.N. investigation found that Palestinian militants also committed war crimes, the overwhelming majority of the criticism in a summary of the 574-page report targets Israel.

Israel "committed actions amounting to war crimes, possibly crimes against humanity," the report says.

The findings were revealed by the head of the U.N. Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict, headed by Richard Goldstone, a South African judge.

Israel did not cooperate in the investigation.

The Israeli Foreign Ministry issued a statement saying Israel "did not feel able to cooperate with the Fact Finding Mission because its mandate was clearly one-sided and ignored the thousands of Hamas missile attacks on civilians in southern Israel that made the Gaza Operation necessary."

Sami Abu Zuhri, a spokesman for Hamas, which controls Gaza, told CNN: "This report is evidence of the crimes committed by the occupation forces against Palestinian citizens."

He rebutted claims in the report that Hamas militants also committed war crimes by saying that "the Palestinian factions were defending themselves, which international law allows them to do."

The report claims that the Israel Defense Forces "failed to take feasible precautions required by international law to avoid or minimize loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects."

The U.N. findings also conclude that Israel fired the chemical agent white phosphorous in civilian areas, intentionally fired high-explosive artillery shells upon hospitals, and failed to provide effective warnings to civilians or U.N. workers before attacks. It also claims that Israel used Palestinian civilians as human shields and deliberately attacked Palestinian food supplies in Gaza.

The report recommends that the U.N. Security Council require the government of Israel to launch appropriate independent investigations into the findings of the report within three months. The findings also recommend that the alleged Israeli war crimes be explored by the International Criminal Court's prosecutor.

The findings also call on Palestinian leadership to investigate alleged war crimes, for militants to respect humanitarian law, and for the release of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit on humanitarian grounds.

 

Palestine also sited for war crimes for firing on civilians, but the number of casualities is telling: 13 for Isreal (3 civilians) and around 1400 for palestine (at least 900 civilians).

 

Despite the political manoeuvring of Western leaders, despite their attempts to complicate the issue, the “question of Palestine” is simple: Does Palestine have a right to exist?

Without a doubt, the answer is yes. But it is important to realize that there should never have been a question of Palestine’s right to exist in the first place. Prior to the mass expulsion of roughly 800,000 Palestinians (according to Israeli sources), and before the unilateral declaration of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948, Palestinians made up at least 66 per cent of the population of the region. 90 per cent of the Jewish population was of foreign origin, including tens of thousands of illegal immigrants.

The concept of national self-determination as defined by international law grants Palestinians the right to a sovereign state of their own. Overlooking this basic right, and against the wishes of Palestinians, the international community adopted UN General Assembly Resolution 181. This called for the internationalization of Jerusalem and Bethlehem, the creation of a Jewish state on 56 per cent of Palestine and a Palestinian state comprised of the rest.

The Arabs, understandably and legally, rejected the plan, which contravened the terms of the League of Nations British Class A Mandate. David Ben-Gurion, head of the Jewish Agency, accepted the Partition Plan, but he made it clear that he viewed it as a first step in taking over even more of Palestine for a Jewish state.

The anti-Palestinian narrative maintains that Arabs and Palestinians were at fault for rejecting the Partition Plan. No mention is made of the fact that the UN General Assembly was in the process of shelving the Partition Plan in favour of a UN Trusteeship for Palestine when Ben-Gurion and others declared the Jewish state. It’s not surprising that Palestinians rejected the scheme, which had no legal foundation, in which 56 per cent of their ancestral homeland would be granted to a minority immigrant population.

Sixty-two years have passed since the plan to partition Palestine, and politicians continue to label the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as complicated. But the solution is simple: there is an occupation, and it must end.

Palestinians (including Hamas) and the Arab League have accepted binding UN Security Council Resolution 242, which despite Israel’s contrary claims, calls for Israel’s return to the borders of June 4, 1967 as per the UN Charter, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the Fourth Geneva Convention, etc.

As declared by the rest of the world and the International Court of Justice, Israel maintains an illegal occupation of East Jerusalem, including its illegally extended boundaries, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip (still occupied under international law) as well as Syria’s Golan Heights and Lebanon’s Sheba’a Farms.

If Israel truly wants peace and recognition, these occupations must end. Furthermore, we should not forget that before the UN General Assembly and the Lausanne Peace Conference in 1949, as a pre-condition for UN admittance, it was accepted that Israel must comply with UN General Assembly Resolution 194, which calls for repatriation of and/or compensation for Palestinians dispossessed during the 1947–49 war.

As for Jerusalem, Palestinians have made it clear that they are willing to share it with Israel as a joint capital. Reiterating that occupation is necessary for the protection of Israeli civilians, that the apartheid wall is being built for “security measures,” or the lie that Palestinians will continue to engage in violent acts even after attaining statehood is counterproductive, and serves no purpose other than to forestall the peace process.

In defiance of the entire world, including the US, Israel continues to construct illegal settlements in occupied lands. At the same time, the apartheid/de facto annexation wall continues to snake through the villages and towns of the occupied West Bank, expropriating land and water resources and creating only misery for Palestinians who must travel for hours to reach their workplaces, farms and schools.

For 62 years, the so-called leaders of the “free world” have looked the other way while Israel has continued to victimize Palestinians. It is time for them to listen to the rapidly increasing numbers of ordinary people everywhere who are demanding that Palestinians be granted their inalienable human rights.

 

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Mobay you are one hilarious dude, also confusing at the same time. Take your prophecy from Washington thread and your bit about the global warming hoax (which I agree with by the way) Can you tell me which side of the aisle the UN stands on the issue? Yet you will then quote UN sources on this issue if it suits your stance.

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