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Senate probe blames top Bush officials for detainee abuses

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I'm sure more and more reports will show this, which is problematic for those who say it didn't happen:

By Roy Gutman | McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON — The Senate Armed Services Committee Thursday singled out former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, former Joint Chiefs Chairman Air Force Gen. Richard Myers, and other top aides for approving inhumane interrogation techniques that were used on detainees at Guantanamo, sites in Afghanistan and at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

U.S. abuses against detainees led to attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq, according to testimony by the former general counsel of the Navy, Alberto Mora. "There are serving U.S. flag-rank officers who maintain that the first and second identifiable causes of U.S. combat deaths in Iraq -- as judged by their effectiveness in recruiting insurgent fighters into combat -- are, respectively, the symbols of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo," Mora testified.

The long awaited report said the techniques used were "based, in part, on Chinese Communist techniques used during the Korean War to elicit false confessions" from captured American prisoners and adapted for use against U.S. detainees.

Instructors from the Pentagon agency that trains soldiers in resisting such treatment were sent to Guantanamo, Afghanistan and Iraq to assist in adopting of the methods, it said.

The abusive techniques — water boarding, nudity, stress positions, exploiting phobias, and treating detainees "like animals" — were "at odds with the commitment to humane treatment of detainees in U.S. custody" and inconsistent with the goal of collecting accurate information, the report concluded.

It traced the abusive practices to President George W. Bush's written determination in February 2002 that the 1949 Geneva Conventions didn't apply to suspected al Qaida and Taliban detainees. Condoleezza Rice, then the national security adviser, and other Cabinet officers took part in meetings where specific interrogation techniques were discussed, the report said.

The report, which took 18 months to compile, said that Rumsfeld's authorization of aggressive interrogation techniques for use at Guantanamo Bay "was a direct cause of detainee abuse there." His approval of a memo from Pentagon General Counsel William J. Haynes "contributed to the use of abusive techniques," including using military dogs, forced nudity and stress positions in Afghanistan and Iraq, it said.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/57631.html


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Now this is a surprise.  I figured the Professor was going to tell us how Bush caused the problems being experienced by the Illinois governor.  But anyway, ....waterboarding, nudity, stress positions, exploiting phobias, and treating detainees impolitely.  Terrible.  Darned near as bad as cutting off heads and running airplanes into buildings. 

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Good morning Max, ALL!

Not about to argue with you there. I cannot imagine one soul that lost his or her head at the hands of those radical muslim, barbaric animals, ever dreamed that what minuscule acts some muslims went through at the hands of US captors would ever equate to such a horrible death. But I think the bigger point here is that those committing these horrid acts against U.S., our Allied soldiers and contractors, were inflamed by the nastiness leveled upon those muslims that by and large had nothing to do with bring down our towers and planes. Oh by God trust that I will not condone or understand that type of thinking, but us Westerners never have understood that culture, and most likely never will. This is a crude ruthless part of the world that only cares about our currency and nothing else. Especially any intervention on the behalf of human rights and behavior that they, see as perfectly normal. It's not unusual for our GOOD ARAB FRIENDS even today to lop off a head for something as minuscule as a marijuana cigarette, or snatching an orange. These backward  sand-dwellers have ALWAYS detested westerners and our ways especially since the crusades and ALWAYS will. Our biggest problem is that we just have not learned our lessons with these strange people. The best we can do is accept that we MUST eliminate them as a source of our energy and let them all choke to insignificance, on their oil. The sooner we do that, the better off all the world will be. Or as the Mr. says, :"To hell with all of them, melt their sand dunes and take the oil." Roughly put and I shutter to think of the implications, but I think many feel that way these days. It's just so hard for Americans to grasp that even after over 5000 years, these oil goons are basically the same as they were after the divisions of the tribes of Israel. Too bad we ever got started with these psycos'

Oh yeah, no matter what most think of Bush, at least he didn't think up or come close to the "Guts" that Blogojyavitch, Blogojavitche,  Blopsyco-vitch, however it's spelled, had. I just hope folks don't start to drag Obama into this mess. The Illinois governor should be in a rubber room.

Merry Christmas and God Bless.

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Now this is a surprise.  I figured the Professor was going to tell us how Bush caused the problems being experienced by the Illinois governor.  But anyway, ....waterboarding, nudity, stress positions, exploiting phobias, and treating detainees impolitely.  Terrible.  Darned near as bad as cutting off heads and running airplanes into buildings. 


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