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Actually, all bird wants is for everyone to become and post as an independent like "her"...railing against everything that is America.
I can't understand what is wrong with not riding the fence and not being a "no-balls- independent" fence rider! Bird continually criticises people for not lambasting one side here.
Sort of takes away from that independent status; no? |
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No Big B I realize you are one smart joe, and perhaps the best debater I have ever tugged with, but it isn't my position. Here lately I have been leaning in the right field, but if that's what America really is::: A roundhouse of political hypocrisy and double talking lying heads, by that measure we are doomed and our votes just a mist. But what it does is::: show that I want both sides recognized good or bad and unlike her, though Cheney isn't an official any longer, he has been more prolific with his voice now than he had been the entire eight years he stood as the second in command of this country. He and Bush got nearly everything wrong and now criticises Obama and defends those of his own boss' failed strategies? That remains significant and clearly goes to the same point made about her. Not that what was said about her isn't correct, but with everything they got wrong the previous 9 years, how is it less relevant that Cheney is now the spokesman he never was? I don't disagree with your points regarding her proclamations, but again, both sides are major screw UPS. Though I fully understand your, my and everyones frustrations, I can't see how we gain anything by letting either side get a free ride at the expense of the other. Obama has jumped the shark by all indications and only 13 months in. I'm fed up myself with every one of them. I'd love to see the past go away, but how can it when they keep shovin it in our faces. I already know Obama is out in 2012. I know you do too. But what does it serve any of us in this country to keep hopin it gets worse? Good God Big B, how do we fix this mess then? Lucy. |
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No Big B I realize you are one smart joe, and perhaps the best debater I have ever tugged with,
Babybird, This person is not "one smart joe" and he is not a good debater. He is a bully. Please stop the apologies. Tell him to can the nit picking and false insinuations. Do your thing and ignore him.
I think your instincts about the 3 to 1 ratio were basicly right. A little high but everybody else exagerates here so why not you. Even the BigB "proved" that a little less than 2 to 1 was right. You let yourself include all the accusations over the last 100 years or more. As an example, those that our gang of four (or is it five, or maybe only 3 using different names) produced were almost all fabrications with no basis in fact. Stick to the time since Truman and only include convictions and it'll look better for you. Don't bother to post it. They will just continually pick it apart on the basis of nothing but their opinons and their phoney sources. Do it for yourself.
Don't be too hard on Obama. His biggest mistake was in thinking Republicans would be reasonable and try to solve some of the nations problems. They're not and they won't. While he was waiting, they've been savaging everything he tries. Won't allow him his appointments so Bush holdovers are still in too many postions. Won't allow a vote in the Senate on just about everything. Are even opposing things they were formerly for just to make Obama look bad. All this and the outright lying. And you're right he inherited the biggest disaster in decades which festered for eight long years with no attention.
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No Big B I realize you are one smart joe, and perhaps the best debater I have ever tugged with,
Babybird, This person is not "one smart joe" and he is not a good debater. He is a bully. Please stop the apologies. Tell him to can the nit picking and false insinuations. Do your thing and ignore him.
I think your instincts about the 3 to 1 ratio were basicly right. A little high but everybody else exagerates here so why not you. Even the BigB "proved" that a little less than 2 to 1 was right. You let yourself include all the accusations over the last 100 years or more. As an example, those that our gang of four (or is it five, or maybe only 3 using different names) produced were almost all fabrications with no basis in fact. Stick to the time since Truman and only include convictions and it'll look better for you. Don't bother to post it. They will just continually pick it apart on the basis of nothing but their opinons and their phoney sources. Do it for yourself.
Don't be too hard on Obama. His biggest mistake was in thinking Republicans would be reasonable and try to solve some of the nations problems. They're not and they won't. While he was waiting, they've been savaging everything he tries. Won't allow him his appointments so Bush holdovers are still in too many postions. Won't allow a vote in the Senate on just about everything. Are even opposing things they were formerly for just to make Obama look bad. All this and the outright lying. And you're right he inherited the biggest disaster in decades which festered for eight long years with no attention.
Won't allow a vote in the Senate? What you talkin' 'bout girl? Up until a few weeks ago denseocrats had the majority in BOTH the House and the Senate and the Rebups "wouldn't allow a vote in the senate"???? Let's think about the "outright lying" by which party? Who promised that bi-partisan talks about healthcare would be televised on C-Span? What bi-partisan talks - they were dems only and behind closed guarded doors. In case you haven't figured out the answers to the above questions the answere is the now POTUS- nobama. Back in the day - there was a saying that you should clean off your own back door before you start on someone else. My suggestion is for you to get out your broom and get started!
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