Muscatine

Hi

Justcurious!

I didn't hit the nails as I had thought. You are right, the dems did take over with a slim majority in Jan. 2008. 35 votes not 60... didn't give them the power to stop the outta control wreck they won. (Don't hate me here)But as you put it, they...save a very few did vote to give the bankers and brokers the 852 billion in Nov 2008. The repubs stopped the initial vote and waited it out to add another 150 billion(give or take a few billion) in tax breaks for those same bankers and brokers, before they would hang in there for the final vote. The dems were kinda wetting themselves in the meantime. As for the electoral college? That one is even simpler. George Bush lost the pop.vote, AND then as well, the electoral college majority in the end, by several hundred thousand votes, nearly three times the votes Nixon lost to Kennedy. That is indisputable. The only vote Pres. Bush won was a 5-4 supreme court vote. Had the supreme court not intervened by declaring Florida election laws unconstitutional, because 33 states have standard voter intent laws, also with 26 days ahead of the Jan. 6th certification deadline, by stopping all recounts on Dec 12th,  so congress cannot challenge the results. Why they didn't declare the other 17 states election laws unconstitutional due to a lack of voter intent standards is still a mystery. So the election was handed to Pres. Bush with one unconstitutional US Supreme court vote. Had this miscarriage of justice not taken place, we would have been addressing what Al Gore did to America instead. We can't wish it away no matter how we dislike one party or the other.

Believe it or not. The only good measure taken by that small majority was to stop Pres. Bush from signing yet another free trade agreement. I will never forget his words. Pres. Bush: "This is the most ineffective congress in 50 years." Now that word- for- word- record connotates a myriad of potential misdirection when we try to pin the tail on the real losers in gov. But regardless of every single argument, of....they did this or they did that, one thing stands above EVERYTHING else. The job of the president is to sign good legislation into law and veto the BAD legislation away from potential law. As I read by a few other posters, if that is true, that in the eyes of the president, keeping him from signing a sixth free trade agreement, by the... as he sees them, the most ineffective congress in fifty years, it's because they managed to stop him from signing even MORE BAD legislation. Based on what we have seen in our economy and lost jobs between 2000 and 2008, it's now easier to see who won and who lost in spite of the lunacy cast down by the Supreme court. I got my gold watch, but see that the fakery has begun to rub off the thin layer of cheap promises, denials, and it's your fault, you voted for them mentality. The answer? Vote them ALL out. The electorate need to stop kissing the butts of  their guy, and throw them out. Dems and repubs alike. NO more incumbents. If we cannot get them to ante up with term limits, our votes should do it instead. These 535 bumblers shouldn't be allowed to just sit there term after term trying their hand at destroying our nation. I like your posts, thought provoking and faithful.

Lucy.

"Didn't the "plublic" choose Gore in 2000?"

Yes, Gore received a small majority of the popular vote in 2000 (by 1/2 of one percent of those voting)....But, like I said, I trust the public to get it right IN THE LONG RUN.   And they did in 2004 (by significant majority).

Hi

Highroad!

Okay then, I think it wasn't merely that low. They didn't count more than 20 thousand in the small number of districts of Florida because of intent issues and those not allowed to vote due to ID misunderstanding, as those who were left out were told. But you are dead right about 2004. I can tell you though from personal experience, that the ridiculous trade policies signed into law before and during those next four years are the problem with our economy. That and the Oil industry. One reason alone we needed a stronger president that might have lit a fire under their butts in congress, to at least try and so something about  our energy woes. But yes, it was a SIGNIFICANT majority. It's very difficult to look back to the future, and is also why I still wouldn't have voted for Kerry had we been able to focus on the election then. Isn't this great and a fun way to be... isn't it?

Lucy

Hi

Ah yes, to rehash the 2000 elections and blame all on false counting, now there is some fun.  Kind of like when the Mister used to bring in the chickens for counting, and the count would get messed up, so we'd start counting again.  But I digress, as the counting isn't really what matters after all, so much as the having fun doing it. Isn't it?  The mere fact that Mr. Bush won twice should be enough to raise our hackles, but then again, maybe I like him, as I find it easier to ride the fence than to actually settle on one side and take an actual stand.  That those not smart enough to fill out a ballot were left out is a crime indeed, but then again, maybe not.  Kind of like when the pancakes wouldn't mix up right since, as you no doubt know, up in Minnesota the batter doesn't sometimes flounce as well as it could, but then again, maybe it could if we were but a bit more compassionate as to the needs of the batter.  So I wouldn't have voted for that Bush fellow, or that Mr. Kerry, as the wife says, "because neither one is worth a poop".  She's not well these days....working way too hard.  And energy...did I mention energy?  Since we started burning the squirrels in the corn stove, our bills have gone down 17 cents a month, and the Smart Car will soon be pulled out of the garage, as soon as the snow melts.  Darned thing is balky in the snow.  The wife says we should have gone Renault....the french can build a darned car.  But I digress.  And how about that Hurricane?  Bush might have been slow on the trigger on that one, but this earthquake business....we need to show compassion, but not send money.  Why back in the old country, we used to send money to the local ministry, so they could buy shoes for the poor homeless monks.  But the monks didn't wear shoes, so the shoes went to waste.  The squirrels ended up nesting in the shoes, and the wife used to say, "Look at those darned squirrles".

Funny, isn't it?