Muscatine

mobay,

I certainly share your concerns regarding pollution, but I tend to view it along with climate change as part and parcel of the total environmental problem we face.

As for your links... the first two actually cite "global warming" as the cause, the second two links are speculative editorials, the Time article is from 1974 (WTF?), the next from a known right wing propaganda site, and finally what would a mobay dave post be without a link to at least one youtube video, be it accurate or not. So I'm not really sure what point you were trying to make with them.

And just for good measure, here's some reading for you concerning your claim regarding july being the coolest on record:

"July 2009 was officially the coldest July on record in six U.S. states, according to the National Climatic Data Center. Specifically, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, West Virginia and Pennsylvania.

Not one of the coldest, mind you, but the absolute, rock-bottom, chilliest on record. Records go back to 1895. Meanwhile, four others – Michigan, Wisconsin, Missouri and Kentucky — had their 2nd-coldest July ever recorded.

What does this mean for global warming? Does this confirm it's a hoax perpetrated by Al Gore and Nancy Pelosi? Well, Fox News ran a headline last week that the cold summer is putting a damper on global warming fears. Meanwhile, the Heartland Institute is sponsoring another conference next May in Chicago.

But "Whoa Nellie" as Keith Jackson used to say. While the Northeast USA was indeed chilling out in July, take a look at these statistics, courtesy of the University of Alabama – Huntsville: For the world as a whole, July was the 2nd-warmest ever recorded, the Southern Hemisphere had its 2nd-warmest month ever (compared to seasonal norms), and it was the 2nd-warmest month ever recorded in Antarctica (again compared to seasonal norms).

Gulp. But before y'all get your dander in an uproar, consider the source for the July heat data: Not some liberal hothouse like Greenpeace, but two of the most well-known and respected climate change semi-skeptics, John Christy and Roy Spencer."

first off, it is not the global warming Truth or fraud but their ideal for a cure. all it will do is make us poorer and give the U.N. more power over our country.  the articles they talk of natural cycles, they say that we are in fact due for a ice age. one article talks about how first it was the smog that blocked the sun and was causing the planet to cool off. now it's co2 causing the atmosphere to heat up. one article was from nasa which states that the data their equipment was getting says the planet is cooling.

 if you would have read the 1974 article you would have seen how ridiculous it got. they talked of covering the artic ice with charcoal to speed up melting to stop the ice age from coming. no my problem is their cure for it. cap and trade, paying 3rd world countries for polluting, giving the U.N. more control over this country and high gov officials telling me that we are in trouble while they have 30,000.00 utilities bills or flying in a 200 seat airplane instead of a small plane or commercial flight. the major polluters are the corporations. nafta not only sent our good paying jobs over seas but they were able to rid themselves of departments like the EPA and OSHA.

 How come if things are so bad we are not forcing corporations to switch to green alternatives. like Brazil has done. all kinds of good ideals that just need to be implemented. so come with some alternative ideals to cure this problem, because sending billions to the U.N., having a world police force to enforce the climate laws and taxing coal users is not the answer. It makes it a power and money thing!

  secondly i don't fly a republicrat flag, I fly an American/constitution flag, I would never join a group responsible for the lost of so many liberties, both parties are guilty! I post that for all the party people, all of whom refuse to admit when their party fails their duties, but have no problem pointing out the others failures. republicrats because they are both working towards the same goal, helping out there corporate buddies and destroying our liberties!!!!

 and finally my post of pollution has nothing to do with air pollution. it is water pollution that i was pointing too, because when the water is undrinkable it will not matter how the air is or what the temp is. china is getting acid rain, rivers with NO fish, rivers that are deadly to use. those rivers dump into the oceans and those oceans effect everyone. our oceans are filled with plastic particles, 6 - 1 to plankton and animals are mistaking it for food. they say that even the mighty miss is contaminated, that you should not eat to many fish from it. can we continue like we are till our grand children are our age, I don't think so. you can continue to believe people like gore and pelosi have your best interest in mind but I know the truth, they could give a rats hairy buttocks for us. corporate puppets

Hi Bigbrother and othrs

Pleased to write with you.

I'm not a "lib", but loaded with common sense and an EYE for details and research. Research was my major at St. Mary's U. in Minn. and although I entirely agree with these calls for honesty in reporting, especially something as potentially serious as Global Warming. It is sometimes mind boggling how we can be blinded by our ideals and fears. Especially if it looks like it will be an expensive recourse. All the scientific resaerch done since the 70's only proves one thing. That our planet has gone through more than three billion years of massive changes due to natural, reciprical before and after affects, that take not hundreds or even thousands of years but, hundreds of thousands of years. Sadly within our finite thought processes, we eagerly feel that the activites of six and a half Billion people have no affects on how those NATURAL changes play out. Remember, for the first time in recorded history, we can now sail from the northern hemisphere to the southern hemisphere uninhibited by ice. That- last year was the warmest GLOBALLY than any other recorded year. That although CO2 emissions and a host of natural elements are increasing CO2 levels, they have been higher. Volcanic activity is higher, forest fires, pollutants higher and the list goes on. During the 1992 seasons, Mt Pinatubo erupted violently for six months. The carbon levels skyrockted on our planet. The 1993 500 year floods were the result.(so says Scientists) Foul weather was rampant in all parts of the world as those predictable cycles of weather changes were altered. This is an El Nin'a year but so far the mid west has been treated to a La Nin'a affect. Not a normal pattern. Plus we musn't forget that our scant few thousand years on this planet puts us smack between the most devastating changes we can discern. I guess it really boils down to keeping those petty little records of barely 150 years, a mere blink in the time it takes to actually see these extincting changes accur.

So me? I believe that although Mother Nature is a fickle lady, she didn't plan on our 200 years of smoke stacks and tail pipes in her rolls of the dice. Not to mention the ever increasing deforestation and red tide. Like you I tire of the doom-speak, but lets be realistic. The world is a finite space with finite recources, while we keep packin in the hungry babies. Something has got to give. I just hope it's not humanity

Lucy

Yessiree....this global warming is a problem.  Cold in Florida, chilly in Britain, cool summer, and I'm up to my arse in fresh powder, just like the old days.

I'm sure it's warm somewhere.