Muscatine

Now that we know what you think, malcontent....go ahead and tell us all who it is that does all the hate-teaching you allude to in your most-definitive post, will ya? That way, we will be able to short circuit that teaching and correct the world as you would have it.

"When the moooooooooooon, is in the seventh house,

and Jupiter aligns with Mars,

Then peace will guide the planets,

and love will steer the stars"

Aquarius, from the fabulous musical "Hair".

Malbird's gotta be from the sixties.  That's the only logical explaination. 

See you at Woodstock!

Hi mal

First I'm sorry this is so long.

Okay, you seem to be hitting a pertinent button, we as the teachers and guides of our children, do in fact teach most of what our babies grow to understand. FIRE!!! it's hot!, water can drown you, bees sting, don't drink bleach! Use the crosswalk, what goes up must come down. So yes I see your point. I think that inherently, we try to guide our babies in such a way that they understand this issue among many others, but the love of normality, the sun rises in the east:::sets in the west, a skunk stinks and is so hard to get off ya:::well it's not unnatural to want your children to know that it does happen, though of the 6.5 billion of us, most mate with the oppositesex. I'd say the fear or phobias re: preference, become ones own finally, after understanding what normal should be or is. I sighted several examples of what nature obviously intended and that can be played with. But up to a point we do learn what we know yes. The phobia issue doesn't really manifest until the individual decides it's to fear or not. I knew by getting told that being stung hurts like ALL GET OUT! but you know, I decided to try and capture that bee anyway. It wasn't until the actual sting that I developed my phobia or will to leave it alone.

Society's roll is an all important one too, I understand. You remember the poster, "All I needed to know I learned in Kindergarten" A little basic but the truth is there. We learn right from wrong, hot from cold, how to be polite, please and thank you. How to respect others property and feelings. But the person inside actually makes the rules once we have that right to self mange. I asked those "why"questions as a child as did and still does our daughter. But not once have either of us told her that gay is wrong. To fear the gay people. Especially if they would just ignore the need to be recognized. I don't get that really. For to us it's natural to not even consider them that way. Their freedoms, their choices, their behind closed doors privacy. My husband just loved Sam Kineson? The loud guy with long hair who was killed just after his honeymoon? Anyway, he did a bit where he questioned the what's and where-fores of the gay thing. He said he just didn't understand how another man can look at another guy's hairy #%^ and say, "that's for me" It's a guys hairy $#%. I think that if you project your sense of what is outside the scope of normality, you risk that phobia. It's not just that it is different, it's that it really isn't how life was designed. Take a look at the house that Jack Built. All the other houses were built, square, straight, level and symmetrically. Jack's was different, bent, twisted, leaning, and uneven. But in spit of his desire to be different, most kept building the way "normal" seemed to be.

I think most of us understand that it really isn't a choice to be gay or straight either. Especially if you believe that::: A God::: created all this and set rules to live by. Most do and as a result, not agreeing with that life style isn't an indictment really, but a choice. Since we honor freedom and respect of others, we really have no option but to accept, but not honor being gay. To have fear of that to me anyway, is a self designed developmental response.

Should our daughter turn out that way, well we love her. Plus as I was guided, we learned that what ever sins we commit it's our sin, not our neighbor's. As well, that neighbor's sin is not ours to be forgiven. I don't think God would hold it against us if we did teach that the gay thing is bad, but it's not ours to decide for them, it will be theirs in the long run. Just like trying to legislate morality, if I knew that a law would magically make everything normal and the gay mentality would just go away? Okay. But it won't, and that judgement is God's not ours. If a piece of paper is all they want, then I say let em have it. That doesn't change anything really, they are still gay they are still tax payers, they are more apt to contribute more to our economics too. But in the end, it's a sinner's choice to rob, kill, embezzle, drive drunk, take drugs, eat liver and onions. Gays also, it's their decision and that is up to God how to deal with it.

Lucy

Oh Hay Mal

I got so wrapped up there.

But I did want to point out too that during the Nazi reign of terror:::there were many Germans who didn't agree with those Psycho killers under Hitler, and at a great risk hid and helped jews. They knew in their hearts what the Natzi' were doing was evil and wrong. many just kept quiet and watched helplessly as so many millions were walked off to die. But imagine if you will, how many didn't die as a result of the compassion those German people had and displayed. Those people were taught to hate the Jews, to despise them, that they were somehow inhuman, and in some propaganda images, even ate their young. Now comparing the murdered and persecuted jews to the gay lifestyle isn't wholly fair::: I agree. But the point is that::: as you did point out, some made a choice to be different, to accept the Jews as just people and some suffered torture and death to do that. So here today, we too have the power to make that choice, to accept others as just people regardless of their inner condition or personal choices. There might not be such an issue if we all did that. If you like Will And Grace stand up.

Lucy