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Revisit old subject-Separation of church-state

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BS,

There is no double standard.   It is a creation of your imagination. 

Prisoners and students have the same rights.

 

If a government prison or any of its employees issues (by issue, I presume it is bought by the government) religious material to prisoners, it is wrong.

If government employees lead prisoners in prayer or other religious observances, it is wrong.

The government would be establishing religion where there may have been none before

 

If government allows someone else to provide religious material to prisoners or allows prisoners to pray or conduct their own religious services that's fine if they treat all religions alike.  They do have the right to regulate it for reasons of safety and not let it interfere with the missioin of the prison.

 

If a government school, or any of its employees provides religious materal to students, it is wrong.   If government employees lead students in prayer or other religious observances, it is wrong.

The government would be establishing religion where there may have been none before.

 

If the government allows someone else to provide religious material to students or allows students to pray or conduct their own religious services that's fine if they treat all religions alike.   They do have the right to regulate it for reasons of safety and not let it interfere with the mission of the school.


It's not my argument, davieboy! So it is not MY imagination. And you don't get to answer for others; so I win again!

 

Are you attacking the right person here?

 

Everything you try to cite as examples have nothing to do with the establishment clause of the Constitution...just as I have pointed out your error before! Congress had made no such law. You lose! Leading prayer by Gov't. employees (your example), is not Congressestablishing a law, if Gov't. did that! (That is only your opinion.)

 

Likewise...what you assert about schools is NOT Congress establishing a law! What law did Congress establish? This is the third time I have asked you liberals! Schools furnishing religious materials is NOT establishing a Congressional law! What law was established by Congress?

 

The supreme court ruled long before you were born that "Congress" in the establishment clause means all levels of government.   That includes school boards and the rules they make.

That ruling has been affirmed in hundreds of courts for years and reaffirmed by the supreme court.

 

Being the right person has little to do with BB's attacks. You (Mallory) have done a good and fair job of making the point to BB's errors. Now you'll receive the silent treatment and no answer will be forthcoming.

 

Being the right person has little to do with BB's attacks. You (Mallory) have done a good and fair job of making the point to BB's errors. Now you'll receive the silent treatment and no answer will be forthcoming.


And you've done a great job of being wrong, but chances are pretty good you will keep right on blabbering.

 

So what's your point?

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Being the right person has little to do with BB's attacks. You (Mallory) have done a good and fair job of making the point to BB's errors. Now you'll receive the silent treatment and no answer will be forthcoming.


And you've done a great job of being wrong, but chances are pretty good you will keep right on blabbering.

 

I'm guessing you're referring to me here.   Tell me if I'm wrong.

 

So what's your point?

 

Here too?

 

My  point was to refute BS's contention that there is a double standard regarding school children and prisoners when it comes to religion and government.

If you read what I posted carefully you would realize that you could interchange prison with school and prisoner with student and the results would be exactly the same.   Thus no double standard exists other than in the mind of BS and others here.

 

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