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Please show us exactly where in the constitution it requires seperation of church and state. Libs keep saying that and unless you have a new version of the constitution that someone besides our founding fathers wrote - it ain't in there. Until you can show us that exact place and wording in the document - don't quote that.


Of course those exact words are not in the constitution.   They're a shorthand way to state the meaning of the first amendment and the 200 or so years of court rulings on it.

 

I could have quoted the emendment exactly but I do not have time or space to add the court rulings.   Accept it.   Stop supporting those who are trying to get the government to support and fund their preferred religion.

We're much better off when that happens.   Our founders knew something of history.   Some of the religious wars in Europe weren't that long ago for them.   A large part of the American population was here because they escaped the government imposed religion where they came from.

Look around today and note the condition of nations where the state gets involved in religion.   They have problems which we don't have because of our separation of church and state.

 
Please show us exactly where in the constitution it requires seperation of church and state. Libs keep saying that and unless you have a new version of the constitution that someone besides our founding fathers wrote - it ain't in there. Until you can show us that exact place and wording in the document - don't quote that.


Of course those exact words are not in the constitution.   They're a shorthand way to state the meaning of the first amendment and the 200 or so years of court rulings on it.

 

I could have quoted the emendment exactly but I do not have time or space to add the court rulings.   Accept it.   Stop supporting those who are trying to get the government to support and fund their preferred religion.

We're much better off when that happens.   Our founders knew something of history.   Some of the religious wars in Europe weren't that long ago for them.   A large part of the American population was here because they escaped the government imposed religion where they came from.

Look around today and note the condition of nations where the state gets involved in religion.   They have problems which we don't have because of our separation of church and state.


PLEASE - don't tell me that separation of church and state is in the constitution as it is not - so when you say that it is you are not speaking the truth or accurately.

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I'll start a new thread, but here is a copy of the first post:

 

To enlighten whoever needs enlightenment regarding the thoughts and writings of our founding fathers regarding Christian principles and how they are linked to the early history of our country, I will attempt to post some quotations from each of our founders each day.  Let's start with John Adams (don't fret; I'll get to Jefferson and Franklin):

John Adams and John Hancock:
We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]

John Adams:
“ The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
• “[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”
–John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798

"I have examined all religions, as well as my narrow sphere, my straightened means, and my busy life, would allow; and the result is that the Bible is the best Book in the world. It contains more philosophy than all the libraries I have seen." December 25, 1813 letter to Thomas Jefferson 

"Without Religion this World would be Something not fit to be mentioned in polite Company, I mean Hell." [John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, April 19, 1817] |
.......click here to see this quote in its context and to see John Adams' quotes taken OUT of context!

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Please show us exactly where in the constitution it requires seperation of church and state. Libs keep saying that and unless you have a new version of the constitution that someone besides our founding fathers wrote - it ain't in there. Until you can show us that exact place and wording in the document - don't quote that.


Of course those exact words are not in the constitution.   They're a shorthand way to state the meaning of the first amendment and the 200 or so years of court rulings on it.

 

I could have quoted the emendment exactly but I do not have time or space to add the court rulings.   Accept it.   Stop supporting those who are trying to get the government to support and fund their preferred religion.

We're much better off when that happens.   Our founders knew something of history.   Some of the religious wars in Europe weren't that long ago for them.   A large part of the American population was here because they escaped the government imposed religion where they came from.

Look around today and note the condition of nations where the state gets involved in religion.   They have problems which we don't have because of our separation of church and state.


PLEASE - don't tell me that separation of church and state is in the constitution as it is not - so when you say that it is you are not speaking the truth or accurately.


You don't think the first amendment requires separation of church and state because those exact words aren't in the constitution?

Then say goodbye to freedom of religion because those exact words aren't there either.

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