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Arizona immagration law

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I would say the constitution says they can't do those types of stops. it's the elephant's trunk, and it  just got in the door. there is restrictions on the government for a very good reason, and we have lost so many so far, when will it stop.

  Jefferson quote, I would rather deal with to much liberty then too little.

  what happens when a country loses their freedom and a dictator takes over.  Do you think it's all roses and ice cream, no it's terror and fear of you getting "profiled", is the fear of crime and terrorism so bad that you would give up your liberty to be safe. When you give up your liberty does your fear of crime and terrorism go away and everything is all right.

no now you have a new fear, fear of your government picking you or a family member up. Did hussen treat his people well. How about stalin, pol pot, mussolini, milosevic, marcos, pinochet, qaddafi, idi amin, mugabe, kim jong II, castro, al-bashir, juan peron, khomeini and franco. There are alot more, in fact history is full of dictators and brutal regimes, and that is the very reason for restrictions on our government.

  It's not just this trunk in the door, but tons of trunks. they are going to deploy troops in American cities in November, they have created free speech zones, trying to get a national ID, pre-raids on protesters on the morning of the democratic national convention, they passed the patriot act, fisa, military commission act, bank bailouts, government motors, transparency in this administration, lie to start wars, spied on Americans, keep trying to shove socialist programs down our throat, they keep spending money like it grows on trees and they are not listening to what we want.

  What about the fact that they apprehend very little in comparison to what comes across the boarder, that congress has a lot of free the illegals bills going thru congress and people give them pletty of work, so why not come here.

  One question how did capone raise to power in chicago, prohibition. We feed these cartels in the south and the gangs all across america with our prohibitions. What about our school system is it the best in the developed world, no not even close. do we enroll illegals, yes we do. What about places like banks, housing rentals and other places that could refuse to do business with illegals but don't. we freaking print spanish on our government forms and you want an American to have to show his papers.

  My family and many other's families have died fighting for your freedoms and you want to give them up cause you are afraid.

 Do you think them great boys of WWII were afraid on D-day at Normandy. We could have surrendered to the japanese or the nazis, but would that have been better.

  stop depending on a nanny state to take care of you. The constitution guaranties the pursuit of happiness but does not guaranty happiness. If you need a nanny state please feel free to move to one of the many nanny counrty already in operation and leave our country alone!!!!!! Good Day Sir

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When illegals cross our borders they are immediately faced with a decision.  Do I want to live outside of the law and not get documented therefore not having the protection of the law or do I get documented and live inside the law.  Most, I venture, chose to live undocumented and outside of the law. 

 
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You seem to say somone can cross the border illegally and then have the option of getting or not getting documents that allow one to stay legally.   I don't think it works that way.  You have to have the documents before you cross the border.   If you haven't done that you will be sent back.  

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"That totally ignores all the people who are arrested, charged, tried and judged not guilty. "

 

You still are lost with this mallory....no one that is legal gets arrested, charged, tried, and judged not guilty; because..... if they have an ID that proves their citizenship....none of that can happen. It seems you are really against law enforcement in a blanket assessment. Too easy....you said nothing of nobama making it illegal to not have health insurance in his health bill. Are you going to address that fact?

 

No.   I'm not even addressing whether it is a fact or not.

 

How do you offer equality in arguments here?

 

I don't intend to.   We can bring in a hundred more issues and never achieve equality. 

 

 

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Keep waiting.

My point was when people say things like "Live within the law and you will have no problems" it is not true.

I also think the requirement that there be probable cause is a good thing to hang on to.

"I also think the requirement that there be probable cause is a good thing to hang on to."

 

Not merely "hang on to".  As I posted to davie in the other post, probable cause is, and always has been, the fundamental structure of the law under criminal auspices. I would have thought he knew better with his alluding to his certain legal expertise in another post.

 

However...there is merit to the point that if you live within the law to begin with, you have nothing to worry about.

 

Did you know that in Iowa; if an officer doing their routine duties of visiting and inspecting bars, and an officer asks you for ID on the premise to verify you are legal to be in a bar, that you must provide that ID under the Iowa Code and Iowa Beer and Liquor Control laws?

Does not matter what your skin color is. How is this any different?

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